So I finally turned 18 last month after 7 years of sitting on the outlines and reading about BDSM instead of trying to join the community because I knew that even though I had the knowledge and want for said experiences I was WAY too young and would put people at risk including myself by involving myself AT ALL in the community but now that I’m 18 I’m too nervous to actually put myself out there, I’m scared people will still say I’m too young even though I’m an adult. What do I do? 1/2

instructor144:

For now, read, learn, ask questions, read and follow respected blogs. Eventually you can think about maybe attending munches, they’re safe PG-13 get togethers. Some of the more experienced subs will most likely take you under their wing and get you settled.

To turn the old aphorism around, when it comes to learning about sex and submission, learn to walk before you learn to crawl.

Seriously!  Think about your first day of driver’s ed.  Were you ready to parallel park on a hill on a busy street?

Now think about the first day you got your license.  Were you… ready to parallel park on a hill on a busy street?

Same with sex.  Same with kink.

Want to do dark and dirty BDSM?  Wonderful!

Start with kissing.

Start with forming relationships.

Ideally, find someone you respect who respects you, someone who’s no more experienced than you are, someone who’ll listen as well as suggest, someone you can learn together with and not just from!

Think about the rules at the swimming pool: no going in the deep end till you can swim all the way across the shallow end; no diving off the high-dive till you can dive off the low board.

This is not to say don’t do BDSM!  Heh.  It does mean learn the basics first.  I promise you’ll be way better, enjoy yourself way more and for waaayyyy longer.

These are things a very good mentor, a very good top, a very experienced but conscientious Dom or Daddy would have you do for them.  (Hint: if they don’t agree they might not be a good partner choice.)

This isn’t about age, by the way, it’s about learning.  It would be as true for someone who’s 68 as someone who’s 18.  

princesssofcolor:

i want to addres a certain unhealthy mindset i’ve seen come up in the the BDSM community.

There seems to sometimes be an issue of people not recognizing what is reality and what is play. BDSM *always* is play. it is a *fantasy*. the power dynamics are *not* real. lemme explain.

in a Dom/sub relationship, subs are often considered property, toys, etc. but no matter how ingrained that dynamic is in your relationship, that is never your sole identity. your Dom does not literally own you. you *always* have the right to be an independent person. you are *always* their equal. this applies no matter how much power you choose to give them over you. you can always take it away when needed. you are not a bad sub if that’s what you need to do to preserve your mental, emotional or physical health. you are an individual first and a sub second.

Since I take this really, really seriously I guess I could try to sound all butch and dead-white-male authoritative, solemn, and serious about this but really, OMG, @princesssofcolor nailed this so perfectly it’s just wonderful!

BDSM *always* is play.
– @princesssofcolor

I’ve been thinking about the two fundamentals in bdsm of consent and no abuse. With masochism/sadism and such, what are your thoughts on how to identify the line between healthy bdsm pain play and unhealthy harmful interactions? How does each part of a D/s dynamic know when the line is being crossed? (Disclosure: I’m not into pain play much myself. Just wondering about it from a self-education point of view.)

submissive-seeking:

instructor144:

This is a great question. I’m a bit under the weather today, but it’s a conversation worth having so I’m going to open this one to my Followers. Chime in, y’all!

@daddydomexplorations

Just some of the rudimentary distinctions:

INJURY versus PAIN

This fundamental difference, in my opinion, must be recognized first and foremost. I define injury as anything requiring medical intervention. I don’t include mild to moderate abrasions, welts, bruises, etc. – basically, anything merely skin deep or cosmetic.

CALM versus EMOTIONAL

I am referring to the one giving the pain, the D-type or Top. If the Top is ever not in complete control of their emotions, and calm, all play must stop immediately. (If aware prior, no play should begin.) In my opinion, it is always abusive to the bottom for a Top to use the bottom’s masochistic desires to expunge the Top’s negative emotions (hatered, anger, frustration, self doubt, shame, etc.). The bottom is NOT a “poison toilet” for the Top to empty their negative emotions into.

MASOCHISM versus SELF-HARM BY PROXY

The bottom’s needs must be correctly identified before any pain play occurs, each and every time.

Pain is NOT a “treatment”** for eating disorders, substance abuse disorders, depression, bipolar disorder nor (the most concerning) borderline personality disorder (the primary diagnosis associated with cutting/self harm). Pain should not be used to “purge” the bottom of self hatered. I judge all of the above to constitute a form of self harm and abusive to the dynamic.

Moreover, it’s the bottom’s needs that often dictate the nature of the pain play. For example, if the bottom has a “maintenance” need, that is usually gifted in a somewhat set manner. Here the purpose is not sexual or Sadistic. It’s form is usually impact (some form of spanking) as opposed to say nipple clamps or stress positional bondage.

** Note: A diagnosis does not preclude participation as long as the underlying disorder is currently managed well with treatment. It does however place additional responsibilities on the Top to maintain appropriate control, especially in time of stress. Any healthy S&m interaction has the potential to become self harm. Vigilance by the Top is NOT optional.

All of the above is written with the assumption that limits have been discussed, successfully negotiated and consent given.

I hope this is what you were getting at with your ask @daddydomexplorations .

Sorry to hear you’re under the weather my friend @instructor144 . (((HUGS)))

Awesome rundown. I usually just say there’s a difference between hurt and harm. Or pain and distress. I’m studiously careful not to cause harm in the first place. I check in regularly. And pause at the first sign of distress. Because even with a casual partner they’re STILL MY PARTNER! Who the fuck wants to fuck up a partner? Who the fuck wants to fuck up a relationship?

I adore @submissive-seeking’s distinction of masochism and self harm by proxy! 

It’s obvious when someone we know goes from bad relationship to worse.  It’s easy to mistake what they’re doing as looking for something more “real” or “authentic” or “deeper” masochism. 

But really, Subs and Masochists gotta play by the same “it’s a relationship” rules. Choosing actual abusers, people who “has some issues and goes a little too far sometimes, but I know what I’m doing” isn’t masochism anymore, is it? At some point it’s time to acknowledge they both “have some issues.”

Which is where that distinction of masochism vs self-harm comes in so well! The hurt-not-harm and pain-not-distress rules are everybody’s responsibility. Not just the top’s.

Because who the fuck wants to fuck up their Dom/Sadist partner either? Who the fuck wants to fuck up their relationship from the bottom?

Finally, as @submissive-seeking says, having a diagnosis doesn’t mean one can’t be in a relationship, nor does it rule out being in a relationship with someone who’s got a diagnosis.  It just means both parties need to be more aware and attentive, same as you would be if their diagnosis was a bad back or a heart condition.

Good boundaries on BOTH sides make good relationships. Even D/S and S&M relationships.

Watch out for each other. Take care of each other.