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excelgirl71:

mrbear215:

haveuseenmyhalo:

Dominance is not about control over a submissive. Dominance is about leading and the submissive following. These words have been said thousands of times by thousands of people. I suspect it will continue to be said for many years to come.
Submissives do not seek people to control them. They seek a leader that proves time and time again that they are qualified to follow.
Mistakes happen. Wrong decisions are made. It’s how you handle those decisions that make you reliable and trustworthy.

Once again… Ding

Always re blog this

So nicely said. It’s also not the case that “the Sub has the power.” It’s that in a real kink relationship you want to be there. Otherwise you can walk away same as a Dom can.

Not all Doms or Daddies get this. Not all Subs or Littles do either.

But it’s essential to real D/S and D/Lg. We’re both actively fulfilling our respective roles or it’s just abuse or codependence.

Dominance is leading as in ballroom dancing. In meta conversation as when off the dance floor we’re just us.

What’s your argument for why safe words are dangerous? I’m curious

Excellent question!!!!  I started to answer it in my post but felt it was a way-off topic digression.

I said I there are good arguments to be made against using safewords, and if you Google around the responsible BDSM blogosphere you’ll find peopel who’ll do a better job than I could.  So while I’m going to make certain cases for not using them I’m going to include cases where they’re a very good idea as well.  Because BDSM is only four letters but it’s an alphabet of a whole universe of possible ways of doing things.

First point though: I’ve often said here, in all sincerity, that “what the fuck, asshole” is a universal safeword.  So I’m not even a little bit saying “no safeword” is the same as “no limits!”  Not a little bit.  Not at all!

Second point: Safewords between a very experienced top and bottom are also a very good idea, especially when there’s an agreement to take the Sub very deep into Subspace, especially when extreme pain, degradation, etc. is used to get them there.  Because once people get really deep they can become nearly non-verbal and need a clear way to get out… when it occurs to them that maybe they’re in trouble.

Which brings us to the third point: If the Sub is really going that deep the top has to be goddamn vigilant anyway, because Subs below a certain level of consciousness a Sub be sort of up for anything and it’s the top’s job to make sure they’re not too far gone even if the Sub doesn’t think so (or isn’t thinking at all.)

Luckily most kinksters don’t take it that far.  But!

Point four: it’s still a fucking good idea for the top to be vigilant, checking in, monitoring, and practicing general awareness for both of them.  In which case a safeword is good as a stopgap but usually the Sub can revert to a conversational tone and say “that’s not working” or “the straps are too tight” or (my favorite) “don’t… stop… now” when they’re going to come and you’re going to blow it if you don’t keep doing exactly what you’re doing.

So in the above cases it’s pretty clear that an experienced, in-control top and their partner who both understand limits and know what the boundaries are can use safewords effectively and… therefore may also not need to use them.

Points against using safewords include

Some tops are goddamn assholes and newbies who think it’s fun to push till their Sub safewords.

Some tops are goddam assholes and newbies who put the safeword into the power exchange with bullshit like “if you safeword we stop everything and you go home.”  (Which is just about the biggest fucking irresponsible bullshit thing ever, as if someone who’s safeworded going to be in any condition to go anywhere… which is the whole point of safewords!)

Aside: if you’re going to have a safeword it’s something you do outside the power-exchange.  You can make it as elaborate as a one-to-ten scale, or red-light yellow-light, or just “uncle!!!”  But however you play it it means stop the action, step outside the scene, and do a significant, alert check in.  Sometimes it can (and should!) be as minor as an itch that’s distracting the bottom from their flogging… in which case the top can give them a good scratch and let the flogging continue till morale really does improve!  

Some Subs are… well… not assholes but very unwilling to “disappoint” their top by using their safeword.  Or, worse, they’re afraid to.  Sometimes they’re too greedy to use their safeword, in which case an inattentive top can be doing damage they don’t want to do.  (Boundaries go both ways.)

Since I’ve been talking a lot about boundaries and mentoring (especially for male) tops, somewhere safewords are very helpful is when an experienced Sub or Masochist is mentoring their top.  (Note: leading isn’t the same thing as Dominating.  It’s perfectly possible for a Sub to manage a partner without “topping from the bottom.”)  Case in point: while I’m a “soft” Daddy I’m also a cheerful Sadist on the side.  I like hurting (but not harming) partners if and only if they like to be hurt.  But because I’m a soft Daddy first I can be overly attentive and possibly annoying with my checkins – in my case a savvy Sub might tell me “don’t stop unless I safeword, m’kay?”  We’d both be happier in that case.

Final time a safword’s a good idea: Not all tops are in control.  Some Subs and Masochists get off on “riding” them – sort of like the thrill of riding a wild horse or bull, if that makes sense.  In those cases it’s the Sub who needs to keep their head and they may need to be able to clearly and concisely let their partners know they need to “woah, buddy.”

So once again, there are cases that can be made for and against using safewords.

But!

In the context of my original post about Tumblr-Dom Bingo, if someone says in their blog bio or their over-the-top first DM that they don’t do safewords then… yeah… run away.  Because it ought to be pretty clear that whether you use one or not it takes a whole conversation to make sure you both agree on the terms of what the safeword’s going to mean.

Thanks so much for asking that question.  I hope it’s really clear from my answer that whether you use one or not at least one and preferably all parties need to take responsibility about playing out on the skinny branches.

Beautiful reminder that not all Subs are little girls, nor are all Daddies older men…

“He never made her do something she didn’t want to do”

Not every Sub or Masochist gets off on their top making them do what they love to do.  But!  As a Daddy this kind of coaxing and discovery is bread and butter.

This “made her discover” business is not, incidentally, endorsing stepping on or over anybody’s boundaries or limits!  No still means no.  No matter what your kinks, no always means no!  If no isn’t being honored and respected then what your’e doing stops being kink and starts being inconsiderate, asshole-ish, abusive, and/or potentially legally-actionable.  Kink = consent.  End of sermon.

The whole point, though, is that bottoms aren’t doormats.  

(Aside: On average bottoms are as intelligent and curious as their tops.  And averages being averages, that means 50% of the time they’re more intelligent or curious than their tops.   Topping and bottoming are kinks, not Mensa scores.  End of that sermon too!)

But mmm, there’s always so much to explore inside boundaries and limits it’s rarely a problem finding new things do discover that you never imagined you’d both love doing.

Hello Evie! I have a question related to discussing gender preferences inoffensively. Although I like both men and women, I am not as comfortable with dating heterosexual men within the BDSM community because I have heard horror stories about abusive men becoming doms just to take advantage of newbie subs. This topic may come up in future conversations when I share my background; how do I explain my concerns in a way that makes it clear I am just trying to be safe and am not a raving man-hater?

evie-lupine:

Anon,

I mean you don’t have to walk into a munch going all I DON’T WANT TO DATE MEN, HET MALES DO NOT APPROACH. Thank God.

You can always go to queer / women focused / submissive only events. In which case you never have to bring up the subject at all. I have never had anyone ask me what my orientation was, or that kind of thing, so it isn’t like a preference or distain for dating het Dom men is going to come up in common conversation. There’s not a questionnaire you have to fill out before hand, you know?

I am not really sure you need to do much besides reject individual advances, in which case I think a simple, “I’m sorry, I am not interested in playing with men” should be enough. No justification or logic behind it needed. Put the same in your FetLife profile. Eventually people in the community will get the drift you don’t play with het males. The kind of people you want to deter the most aren’t going to listen to further reasoning to begin with (or read your profile at all), and sensible people typically don’t need more than that to respect boundaries.

I think that going into the whole “because men are more likely to be predators” type logic while discussing your background is unnecessary. I know it can be hard for this to sink in, but honestly most people are just happy to know what your preferences are and don’t need the deep internal logic to be able respect it. Be it because you’re a hardcore lesbian, you have sexual trauma, whatever, people don’t need to know *why* to be able to respect who you want to play with. And the really toxic folks aren’t going to be deterred regardless of what logic you provide anyway. In my estimation its just not worth the extra energy expense to explain your full thoughts to every person you meet.

Evie

I love this answer so much.  Because “I’m sorry, I am not interested in playing with men” should be all anyone needs to say.  In fact, it’s ok to skip the “I’m sorry” part.

Also this: “You can always go to queer / women focused / submissive only events.”  What’s the point of even having a community if you can’t get second, third, and more opinions about who’s safe and who isn’t?  No matter who they are!  (I mean, it’s worth mentioning that @femdomunicorn recently helped deal with the fallout from a woman seemed to be more of an unrepentant sociopath than a sadist.)

I know I go on and on about vanilla parallels but, really, whether you’re kinky or vanilla it’s always be 100% fine to say “I’m only interested in women right now.”  And if someone throws a fit about that boundary?  Well, if they can’t respect that boundary you probably wouldn’t want any involvement with them anyway.

Finally, I’m pretty much done saying “not all men are blah, blah, blah.”  But I can say “some men seem to be pretty good Doms.”  If and only if you’re interested in meeting some it’s hard to think of a better place to seek introductions than a good, supportive, maybe exclusive community of fellow Subs.

johnnysung524:

6.19.2017
photograph _ daliz

This is a great photo set!  Also rare.  Too many people imagine that submission is inherently feminine.  With the result that “sissification” and “forced femininization” are almost synonymous with male submission.

It’s total, genderblind bullshit of course.  Doms can be totally girly girls, Subs can be perfectly masculine men.

Dom and Sub: roles not genders!

Do any other subs have spanking has a hard limit for punishment/correction? Maybe I’m just an odd duck. I can handle them just fine for play/”funishments” (actually enjoy them) but if they were to be used as an actual punishment it causes me (just talking about it) to get sick to my stomach, elevated heart rate/breathing etc. I’m guessing it’s from my upbringing that causes me to have this reaction to it.

instructor144:

Sure, many subs have it as a hard limit. Not all subs, and not all D/s relationships, have pain as an element.

Definitely!  I sometimes talk about mostly-hypothetical “pure” kinks that don’t overlap with any others in the broad alphabet of BDSM.  And in that hypothetical case you might expect to see “pure” D/S involving serene, mutually-agreed-upon structure, order, tasks, and supervision – with correction neither wanted nor needed.

You could also see less “pure” combinations where, for instance, a sadistic but otherwise soft Daddy and their masochistic Little took zero interest in rules and punishment but gleefully included “funishment” in roleplaying games or even for no good reason at all other than both enjoy it.

Anyway, yeah.  Not all Doms are sadists.  Not all Subs can stand punishment.  Or at least corporal punishment.  Kinks are… well… kinks in our individual self-expression.  No two are going to be exactly the same.

Non-kinksters don’t get that in kink relationships there’s no such thing as a passive partner.  That’s the key that distinguishes it from use, abuse, transactional sex, and too much vanilla sex.

Kink is about actively sharing and participating in what you both want to do.  What gives you both a “happy buzz.”

Kink is sex play, and the thing about play is you only do it if you both enjoy it.